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Gilmar, the secretary of the CNTE formation begins the Seminar talking about the reasons for which the Congress has been held in the city of São Paulo: due to the question of costs and because most of the participants are from the city of São Paulo. He invites everyone to introduce himself, mentioning his name and the entity to which he belongs.
\Roberto Leão (president of CNTE), Juçara Vieira (vice-president of IEAL), Marta Domingues (CUT), Fátima Aparecida Silva (CNTE), Gumercindo Milhomem and Mônica Santos (Estudo, Estratégia e Informação) they are asked to give a brief greeting.
\Roberto Leão comments on the representatives' participation all over Brazil regarding the theme 'Computation and communication at a distance' – about which he assumes not to know a lot – mentioning his awareness of the importance and of the possibilities that this type of communication can offer to the workers and unions.
\Juçara talks about her happiness of seeing a project which has worked out well and has answered the demands of the movement. She says that the formation is fundamental and she congratulates the unions´s investment.\ Marta explains that she is representing the National Secretary of the National Formation of CUT. Being an educator, she talks about the pleasure of her participating in the Seminar.
\Fátima emphasizes the importance of the participation of the affiliated entities in the national events, especially, when regarding their States, they work to make the policies clear and effective. She talks about the need to put the formation as a priority when talking about finance and about the participanting entities´ agendas. She also comments on the partnership with Lärarförbundet (Sweden) and how this organization was impressed with CNTE´s work.
\Gumercindo talks about his efforts in favor of the development of technologies for education and how to make those technologies easier to use.
\Mônica talks about the use of the technologies in education, she says that they can and they should be used.\
Gilmar talks about the presentation of the previous project to Lärarförbundet and comments on the importance of emphasizing the difficulties found in the process. He also talks about the fragility within the formation of the union leaders and of the positive results reached after their participation in the formation courses: the graduates being those that participate most in the assemblies. He also mentions the existent conflict between the new and old union leaders and the problem of the great number of absences from the courses.
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Gilmar, the secretary of the CNTE formation begins the Seminar talking about the reasons for which the Congress has been held in the city of São Paulo: due to the question of costs and because most of the participants are from the city of São Paulo. He invites everyone to introduce himself, mentioning his name and the entity to which he belongs.
\Roberto Leão (president of CNTE), Juçara Vieira (vice-president of IEAL), Marta Domingues (CUT), Fátima Aparecida Silva (CNTE), Gumercindo Milhomem and Mônica Santos (Estudo, Estratégia e Informação) they are asked to give a brief greeting.
\Roberto Leão comments on the representatives' participation all over Brazil regarding the theme 'Computation and communication at a distance' – about which he assumes not to know a lot – mentioning his awareness of the importance and of the possibilities that this type of communication can offer to the workers and unions.
\Juçara talks about her happiness of seeing a project which has worked out well and has answered the demands of the movement. She says that the formation is fundamental and she congratulates the unions´s investment.\ Marta explains that she is representing the National Secretary of the National Formation of CUT. Being an educator, she talks about the pleasure of her participating in the Seminar.
\Fátima emphasizes the importance of the participation of the affiliated entities in the national events, especially, when regarding their States, they work to make the policies clear and effective. She talks about the need to put the formation as a priority when talking about finance and about the participanting entities´ agendas. She also comments on the partnership with Lärarförbundet (Sweden) and how this organization was impressed with CNTE´s work.
\Gumercindo talks about his efforts in favor of the development of technologies for education and how to make those technologies easier to use.
\Mônica talks about the use of the technologies in education, she says that they can and they should be used.\
Gilmar talks about the presentation of the previous project to Lärarförbundet and comments on the importance of emphasizing the difficulties found in the process. He also talks about the fragility within the formation of the union leaders and of the positive results reached after their participation in the formation courses: the graduates being those that participate most in the assemblies. He also mentions the existent conflict between the new and old union leaders and the problem of the great number of absences from the courses.
Roberto Franklin de Leão\
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Roberto Leão talks about the invitation that he received on the part of Gilmar, for him to participate in the seminar. On that occasion, the two talked about the possibility for José Serra to reach the presidency of the country, which would not be good according to them, taking into account the criticisms that exist on the part of CNTE against Serra´s government regarding the field of education .
\Leão comments on the importance of establishing an internal process of communication using the internet. He uses as an example, Barack Obama's election in the United States, which according to him, would have used to his favor, the internet and the curiosity of the youth in that field.
\Leão, talking about the Brazilian press, the 'shameless' flame, he also talks about the difficulties on the part of the social and popular movements, to access the instruments of communication. He defends what would be the 'democratization' of the internet to give to the social and popular movements, access to this powerful form of communication.
\For him, information and communication would be two faces of the same coin: power. Power which in its own way influences opinions, telling stories of a point of view which – most of the time - is not the point of view of the working class or of the unions. He thus reinforces the importance of the use of the internet to facilitate the contact and the exchange of experiences among the many different points of the country, knowing that the present reality in the south and southeast areas is very different from the one present in states as The Amazon, Roraima, Mato Grosso, for instance, and the use of the internet would be capable not of overcoming, but perhaps of minimizing the communication difficulties. According to him, it is necessary for the union movement to begin to realize how important the use of the internet is and its use as a means to obtain success in its several and diverse objectives.
\Talking about teachers' formation, Leão emphasizes the importance of the teachers´presence at the beginning of their formation, however for their continuous formation, he sees as valid, the use of the Internet, associated to activities involving the presence of the teachers whenever possible and opportune.
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Roberto Leão talks about the invitation that he received on the part of Gilmar, for him to participate in the seminar. On that occasion, the two talked about the possibility for José Serra to reach the presidency of the country, which would not be good according to them, taking into account the criticisms that exist on the part of CNTE against Serra´s government regarding the field of education .
\Leão comments on the importance of establishing an internal process of communication using the internet. He uses as an example, Barack Obama's election in the United States, which according to him, would have used to his favor, the internet and the curiosity of the youth in that field.
\Leão, talking about the Brazilian press, the 'shameless' flame, he also talks about the difficulties on the part of the social and popular movements, to access the instruments of communication. He defends what would be the 'democratization' of the internet to give to the social and popular movements, access to this powerful form of communication.
\For him, information and communication would be two faces of the same coin: power. Power which in its own way influences opinions, telling stories of a point of view which – most of the time - is not the point of view of the working class or of the unions. He thus reinforces the importance of the use of the internet to facilitate the contact and the exchange of experiences among the many different points of the country, knowing that the present reality in the south and southeast areas is very different from the one present in states as The Amazon, Roraima, Mato Grosso, for instance, and the use of the internet would be capable not of overcoming, but perhaps of minimizing the communication difficulties. According to him, it is necessary for the union movement to begin to realize how important the use of the internet is and its use as a means to obtain success in its several and diverse objectives.
\Talking about teachers' formation, Leão emphasizes the importance of the teachers´presence at the beginning of their formation, however for their continuous formation, he sees as valid, the use of the Internet, associated to activities involving the presence of the teachers whenever possible and opportune.
Juçara Dutra Vieira, Marta Regina Domingues e Júlio César Martins Viana\
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JUÇARA:
\The process of union formation is an accumulation process and a collective accumulation, and this is related to its participants' characteristics: people that have just begun their participation in the movement, people that have been present for some time and people that are already ending their participation. She mentions as an example the film 'Benjamim Button', talking about the possibility of encounters in different moments (in the film, Benjamin was born old and he died young and in the middle of his way, he finds the love of his life). And all of this should be thought about and reconciled.
\The kind of relationship propitiated by the Internet is the horizontal relationship; the people that participate are not just receiving information, they can also act as subjects, they are all equal protagonists.
\MARTA:
\We are living a period of transition, a new culture which tends to distance the people that do not fit into what this new model would be. How will the union member understand this change and be able to adapt in order to dispute hearts and minds in that new generation? That is the subject to be worked on.
\A lot is said about that new generation, however about what not to do, about what is not allowed to do. Little is found in the literature on how to do, how to work with this new culture and when there is something published, it is always in such a different language which seems to dishearten the reader.
\JÚLIO:\
Júlio says that the computer is still illustriously unknown, being used simply as a typewriter, because the possibilities that it offers are still unknown by the majority. Thus, the first attitude would be to know the potential of the tool to then to use it to its maximum.
\Regarding the use of the Internet as a tool for teaching at a distance, Júlio presents his own experience: all of his professional formation was done at a distance. For him, the quality of teaching at a distance depends on the coordinators and on the students in the course. The students need to have discipline, dedication, motivation and they need to study as any student present in a course. He stresses that even though there is a strong prejudice against at-a-distance courses, they are in no way a “secondary” formation.
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JUÇARA:
\The process of union formation is an accumulation process and a collective accumulation, and this is related to its participants' characteristics: people that have just begun their participation in the movement, people that have been present for some time and people that are already ending their participation. She mentions as an example the film 'Benjamim Button', talking about the possibility of encounters in different moments (in the film, Benjamin was born old and he died young and in the middle of his way, he finds the love of his life). And all of this should be thought about and reconciled.
\The kind of relationship propitiated by the Internet is the horizontal relationship; the people that participate are not just receiving information, they can also act as subjects, they are all equal protagonists.
\MARTA:
\We are living a period of transition, a new culture which tends to distance the people that do not fit into what this new model would be. How will the union member understand this change and be able to adapt in order to dispute hearts and minds in that new generation? That is the subject to be worked on.
\A lot is said about that new generation, however about what not to do, about what is not allowed to do. Little is found in the literature on how to do, how to work with this new culture and when there is something published, it is always in such a different language which seems to dishearten the reader.
\JÚLIO:\
Júlio says that the computer is still illustriously unknown, being used simply as a typewriter, because the possibilities that it offers are still unknown by the majority. Thus, the first attitude would be to know the potential of the tool to then to use it to its maximum.
\Regarding the use of the Internet as a tool for teaching at a distance, Júlio presents his own experience: all of his professional formation was done at a distance. For him, the quality of teaching at a distance depends on the coordinators and on the students in the course. The students need to have discipline, dedication, motivation and they need to study as any student present in a course. He stresses that even though there is a strong prejudice against at-a-distance courses, they are in no way a “secondary” formation.
Juçara Dutra Vieira, Marta Regina Domingues e Júlio César Martins Viana\
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JÚLIO: \It is not a priority to think about a dispute: teaching in a classroom versus teaching at a distance. There are both high level as well as low level teaching in a classroom. The same goes for teaching at a distance. The discussion is to identify which is the most appropriate and gives us the possibility to reach more people with fewer resources.
\An important part of the courses at a distance is the student's preparation. He should be prepared to receive this methodology. And many times, when the final result of the course is not satisfactory, that negative result may be the consequence of the lack of preparation, or the students' superficial preparation.
\MARTA: \Comparing the advantages and disadvantages of Windows and of Linux (free software), many complain about the high costs of a Windows license and about the lack of knowledge in the use of Linux. Marta mentions however that there is a facilitator to work with Linux: a mechanism exists inside its own program which allows the person to work in Windows.
\According to Marta, it is necessary to consider another point which is the formation of teachers in a general way: the government's programs can, through education, go beyond the formal content, values and ideologies and if there is no involvement on the part of the unions regarding the definition of priorities for those courses, the ideology and the values become the interest of only the government´s.
\JUÇARA: \The criticism regarding education at a distance is actually not a criticism on that modality in itself. It is actually a criticism on the differentiated form that the government treats those courses with the intention of reducing its costs.
\The technology is present in other areas, in the area of health for instance. Juçara uses the example of a consultation with a doctor. Before looking at the patient's face, he will ask to see an exam. And why has not this technology been incorporated in the area of education as it is in health?\
LEÃO: The importance of our thinking about the question of democratization of the Internet. Why, for instance, is there free access to the internet at airports and not at bus stations? Because those that frequent the bus stations are a less favored portion of the population and there is a presupposition that free access to the internet for that class is not necessary.
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JÚLIO: \It is not a priority to think about a dispute: teaching in a classroom versus teaching at a distance. There are both high level as well as low level teaching in a classroom. The same goes for teaching at a distance. The discussion is to identify which is the most appropriate and gives us the possibility to reach more people with fewer resources.
\An important part of the courses at a distance is the student's preparation. He should be prepared to receive this methodology. And many times, when the final result of the course is not satisfactory, that negative result may be the consequence of the lack of preparation, or the students' superficial preparation.
\MARTA: \Comparing the advantages and disadvantages of Windows and of Linux (free software), many complain about the high costs of a Windows license and about the lack of knowledge in the use of Linux. Marta mentions however that there is a facilitator to work with Linux: a mechanism exists inside its own program which allows the person to work in Windows.
\According to Marta, it is necessary to consider another point which is the formation of teachers in a general way: the government's programs can, through education, go beyond the formal content, values and ideologies and if there is no involvement on the part of the unions regarding the definition of priorities for those courses, the ideology and the values become the interest of only the government´s.
\JUÇARA: \The criticism regarding education at a distance is actually not a criticism on that modality in itself. It is actually a criticism on the differentiated form that the government treats those courses with the intention of reducing its costs.
\The technology is present in other areas, in the area of health for instance. Juçara uses the example of a consultation with a doctor. Before looking at the patient's face, he will ask to see an exam. And why has not this technology been incorporated in the area of education as it is in health?\
LEÃO: The importance of our thinking about the question of democratization of the Internet. Why, for instance, is there free access to the internet at airports and not at bus stations? Because those that frequent the bus stations are a less favored portion of the population and there is a presupposition that free access to the internet for that class is not necessary.
Gumercindo Milhomem Neto\
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\The situation in which the Internet has placed us today allows us to be called migrants. The children and the youngsters are native, they are in contact with this new technology and they do not question the reason for using it or not, they simply use it. Whereas those who are the natives´ parents and teachers spend time discussing whether or not it is really necessary to use it. At the same time, many parents and teachers create a distance from this reality and from dialogues with their children and students.
\In comments made by an American actress and a Brazilian movie director, when asked about the importance of the cinematographic criticism regarding the era of the Internet, both said that the criticism does not have the same weight: the critic's version will be just one more among the many published in sites, blogs, forums, etc. Those that supplied the information are becoming unimportant.
\Different from what may happen with other areas, education is an area that is growing. When automation of services is verified, the decrease of salary mass is also verified (think of bank employees and the implantation of ATMs, bankline sevices, etc.). If we think about the area of education, this relationship is different: would teachers be the working class of the future? Today, much is said about continuous education and there is not a school age limit anymore: people are studying more and thus, a larger number of teachers is necessary to accompany the growth of the number of students.
\Another point mentioned is the subject of services rendered. Should unions render services? Can the union say that this is not its focus, but at the same time, attract teachers and offer them the information that they want and need (their publications in the Official Newspaper, for instance) which might be a way at a specific moment to give the information that is of interest to the union, a relationship that would assist both parts?
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\The situation in which the Internet has placed us today allows us to be called migrants. The children and the youngsters are native, they are in contact with this new technology and they do not question the reason for using it or not, they simply use it. Whereas those who are the natives´ parents and teachers spend time discussing whether or not it is really necessary to use it. At the same time, many parents and teachers create a distance from this reality and from dialogues with their children and students.
\In comments made by an American actress and a Brazilian movie director, when asked about the importance of the cinematographic criticism regarding the era of the Internet, both said that the criticism does not have the same weight: the critic's version will be just one more among the many published in sites, blogs, forums, etc. Those that supplied the information are becoming unimportant.
\Different from what may happen with other areas, education is an area that is growing. When automation of services is verified, the decrease of salary mass is also verified (think of bank employees and the implantation of ATMs, bankline sevices, etc.). If we think about the area of education, this relationship is different: would teachers be the working class of the future? Today, much is said about continuous education and there is not a school age limit anymore: people are studying more and thus, a larger number of teachers is necessary to accompany the growth of the number of students.
\Another point mentioned is the subject of services rendered. Should unions render services? Can the union say that this is not its focus, but at the same time, attract teachers and offer them the information that they want and need (their publications in the Official Newspaper, for instance) which might be a way at a specific moment to give the information that is of interest to the union, a relationship that would assist both parts?
Basílio Miranda\
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\The I.T of a union entity is not very simple since it does not have the vertical structure that a company has. This creates operational difficulties for the union.
\APEOESP`s I.T process began in 1987 with a very specific purpose: to set up a register of associates (teachers) to enable it to accompany the monthly fees paid to the entity.
\Talking about the computer is actually talking about an abstraction. Don´t we use the computer, don´t we use the applications and how do we do this? We use the applications to automate repetitive processes and thus, we conquer more time to accomplish the final aim of the entity, an objective that is not always reached. When using a text editor, for instance, that typing is undoubtedly more effective than the one of a typewriter, but it is not enough to say: I know I.T..
\I.T. begins in a very simple way, you look for a solution for a problem and little by little other ideas appear, other needs and discoveries appear. And the appropriate use of the applications works correctly when the registers are capable of communicating with each other and offer results in the crossing of information, then we may say that the registers stop being superficial.
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\The I.T of a union entity is not very simple since it does not have the vertical structure that a company has. This creates operational difficulties for the union.
\APEOESP`s I.T process began in 1987 with a very specific purpose: to set up a register of associates (teachers) to enable it to accompany the monthly fees paid to the entity.
\Talking about the computer is actually talking about an abstraction. Don´t we use the computer, don´t we use the applications and how do we do this? We use the applications to automate repetitive processes and thus, we conquer more time to accomplish the final aim of the entity, an objective that is not always reached. When using a text editor, for instance, that typing is undoubtedly more effective than the one of a typewriter, but it is not enough to say: I know I.T..
\I.T. begins in a very simple way, you look for a solution for a problem and little by little other ideas appear, other needs and discoveries appear. And the appropriate use of the applications works correctly when the registers are capable of communicating with each other and offer results in the crossing of information, then we may say that the registers stop being superficial.
Beatriz Rizek\
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\The child who does his homework is adapted to education at a distance just as the adult who, when buying an electronic apparatus, has to read the manual to install it. E-learning, on the other hand, is electronic learning, in other words, when there is some electronic mechanism that makes an intermediation, it may be a video, a television, a radio.
\Digital Alphabetization: a person that reads, identifies the letters, does the reading and that is about it. Digital Literacy: a person that identifies the letters, does the reading, does the interpretation and is capable of transmitting the information to third parties. The functions of digital literacy are: production, content research, publication, communication.
\The question of publication of files in the Internet is a point to which attention should be given. If it is something that has to do with just my peers, it should be done with restricted access, otherwise, everyone can have access, whether they be friends, enemies or competitors, and may be from any part of the world.
\In the subject of the publication of materials, an appreciated and necessary characteristic, it is, in fact, the power of synthesis. When we are offering a course through the e-learning tool, at first, we do not know the student's technological knowlege at the other end. We do not know whether he has access to a printer, whether the access is made by means of a broad band which enables him to download video and image files, etc. The material used should be something simple and fast, for instance, like a one-minute TV advertisement on the São Paulo subway.. If the student has the technological apparatuses, he will, on his own initiative, look for other materials, longer complementary texts, videos, texts printing, etc.
\The student's profile is also another point to be considered for the success of courses at a distance. Another important aspect is: that a course at a distance is not totally flexible regarding schedules since there is a day for beginning and a day for terminating. It demands discipline, dedication and defined schedules for the study
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\The child who does his homework is adapted to education at a distance just as the adult who, when buying an electronic apparatus, has to read the manual to install it. E-learning, on the other hand, is electronic learning, in other words, when there is some electronic mechanism that makes an intermediation, it may be a video, a television, a radio.
\Digital Alphabetization: a person that reads, identifies the letters, does the reading and that is about it. Digital Literacy: a person that identifies the letters, does the reading, does the interpretation and is capable of transmitting the information to third parties. The functions of digital literacy are: production, content research, publication, communication.
\The question of publication of files in the Internet is a point to which attention should be given. If it is something that has to do with just my peers, it should be done with restricted access, otherwise, everyone can have access, whether they be friends, enemies or competitors, and may be from any part of the world.
\In the subject of the publication of materials, an appreciated and necessary characteristic, it is, in fact, the power of synthesis. When we are offering a course through the e-learning tool, at first, we do not know the student's technological knowlege at the other end. We do not know whether he has access to a printer, whether the access is made by means of a broad band which enables him to download video and image files, etc. The material used should be something simple and fast, for instance, like a one-minute TV advertisement on the São Paulo subway.. If the student has the technological apparatuses, he will, on his own initiative, look for other materials, longer complementary texts, videos, texts printing, etc.
\The student's profile is also another point to be considered for the success of courses at a distance. Another important aspect is: that a course at a distance is not totally flexible regarding schedules since there is a day for beginning and a day for terminating. It demands discipline, dedication and defined schedules for the study